When to Suspect EDS

I’ll repeat that if you haven’t yet read my About EDS post, please do so now to help make this post more understandable. It is seriously hard to do this topic justice in just one blog post. (Why I’m trying hard to write more off line, smile.) Remember the six blind men and the elephant story? Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome is more like SIXTY blind men and the same elephant! (Podiatrist, dentist, neurologist, cardiologist, dermatologist, allergist… the list goes on!) So I’m only sharing a few ways to suspect it.

There are almost unlimited symptoms ultimately, since being systemic it affects virtually every body system to some degree and in often unexpected ways. But we have to start somewhere, and this is my start.

Others are welcome to do the same. And, not being a doctor, I can’t and don’t expect anyone to take me half as seriously as they probably should, if at all in some cases, thanks to all the misinformation and misunderstanding around this lousy connective tissue disorder.

But if I can raise just one other person’s suspicions or  “zebra-dar” if you will, much less a doctor’s along the way, I will have succeeded in my mission to bring a small shred of enlightenment to the medical world and hopefully reduce the time to diagnosis and related unnecessary suffering for a few of my fellow sufferers out there.

Image of a child's bendy hand

A child’s bendy hand

That said, I am not a doctor, so do not take what I write as either gospel, nor as medical advice – let me be clear, you should always consult your preferred medical care provider about your own individual health. (If you don’t like your current doctor, change doctors if possible!) And… I personally recommend ultimately seeing a knowledgeable medical geneticist to get diagnosed if you do suspect any form of EDS, as it strongly resembles several other heritable disorders of connective tissue (HDCT’s) including Marfan’s Syndrome, Osteogensis Imperfecta (OI), and Stickler’s Syndrome, which should be properly ruled in or out. (We have a lot of overlapping signs and symptoms and issues).

A medical geneticist will know how to differentiate these, as well as know when to suspect the more dangerous forms of EDS like Vascular (formerly Type IV) or Kyphoscoliotic. (More on the EDS types on my About EDS page).

And you need to be sure of which “zebra” (semi-rare condition) you are treating for the sake of not only your health, but that of any children you’ve hatched or plan to. Many of these disorders are only finally diagnosed when someone has a child who is much more afflicted than themselves, and the parent only gets diagnosed by proxy. (We’re a surprisingly stubborn bunch in regard to our own health – and often refuse to acknowledge how much pain we’re in until it’s “too late”. I know my late parents sure did.)

I’ll lastly add that I find many hypermobile people seem to be attracted to one another – I have other theories I’ll share on that in a later post. (I now suspect both of my late parents in hindsight, though it’s most clear on my dad’s side). Something about birds of a feather… (wait, zebras don’t have feathers!)

But I digress. When to suspect Ehlers-Danlos Sydnrome? Again… I could almost write a book on this topic alone.

So, I’ll highlight some of my personal unprofessional theories, again, emphasizing to take what I write with a grain of salt. (Literally, for some of you with POTS, smile).  That said, this post IS based on over two years of my personal online observation of literally over 6000 afflicted individuals with every variation on the theme you can imagine from all over the world via Facebook and the EDNF’s support forum Inspire where we all…. (drum roll please), COMPLAIN of all our issues!

That is to say, while I’m not a doctor, and am not trying to be, I “see” (observe) thousands more “patients” than any doctor ever could without joining me on Facebook and Inspire (and real life), albeit socially. And no, I’m not reporting things I’ve only seen just once or twice, but common themes I see frequently.  Why we win this freakish bad health lottery I do not know, but we seriously do. (It is a systemic condition after all.)

I seriously feel like Alice down the rabbit hole as mentioned elsewhere as I discover more daily, even two years out since falling down my own “rabbit hole”. And much of this is not in the current literature even yet. (Why I’m blogging along with so many others!)

My “Fibro Theory”

First and foremost, as all my friends and family know well now, I personally believe almost all people with “Fibromyalgia” likely have some form of EDS, most likely HEDS. Seriously. I really well and truly now believe that fibro is really just likely a “lighter” or milder presentation or aspect of Hypermobile EDS (HEDS) based on all the complaints and descriptions I read from thousands of very vocal fibro patients on Facebook and Twitter. (And they’re a very vocal bunch as they struggle to be believed as I once did.)

I personally experienced fibro-like symptoms and widespread pain since my 20’s (in the 1990’s) that I was not able to eliminate or improve while adhering to a modern working lifestyle all these years, and so just “sucked up” and carried on despite as best I could. (Not always successfully.)

Further, all of the remedies fibro patients are finding to help alleviate their symptoms (including careful physical therapy, especially warm water therapy and nutritional work) are exactly what help EDS patients (including me) the most! Now either that’s one heck of a coincidence, or we’re on to something here.

Again, I’m not a doctor, BUT, I’ve personally yet to meet a fibro patient in real life who does not pass the Brighton Diagnostic Criteria. (Spelled with an “i”.)  Not just the Beighton (with an “e”) 9 pt Hypermobility scale  (or score) which is just part of the Brighton Diagnostic Criteria (not score, in a hair pulling plot to confuse) for EDS. Thank God the International Symposium is meeting again for the first time in many years in May 2016 to better sort this out and update it!

You could say we got “bright” in Brighton, England, and improved upon Professor Peter Beighton’s brilliant epidemiological field test for hypermobility which was never meant to diagnose EDS, and which misses a large percentage – some say up to 50% or more – of older EDS patients due to the misguided hyper-focus on a handful of flexible joints only. Further, many will have other joints not counted on the score that are extremely hypermobile, but are incorrectly ignored or dismissed by very B&W (likely Aspie) doctors again.

I can’t agree more with Dr. Jaime Bravo, a leading rheumatologist in Chile with whom I’ve corresponded who posits that Fibromyalgia is just a form of pain experienced by HEDS patients in his “When To Suspect” document he shared with me in 2012. He’s still using the older naming system, so it is called Joint Hypermobility Syndrome on his site here: http://www.reumatologia-dr-bravo.cl .  However he also agrees that all these other forms called JHS, HMS etc. should all likely be called EDS III (aka HEDS), now too. (See p 17 of linked Loose Connections issue.)

I seriously struggle to silently watch while thousands of fibro patients struggle to control their logically wide-spread pain that isn’t aided by anti-inflammatories or pain meds, or not much, and describe experiences as bad and sometimes worse than my own with HEDS. (Some are also wheelchair bound like I was in 2012. From muscle and fascial tissue pain or a nerve disorder?? I don’t think so!)

As one who experienced it up until my “storm” made my “Fibromyalgia” feel like a cake-walk, I’d say it makes a lot of sense if you have a slightly loose skelly, but haven’t fully disclocated anything yet. (And no, thankfully few of you will ever have such a bad “storm” or “cascade” of EDS symptom onset, so please don’t needlessly worry, just be aware of your body’s symptoms at all times. That experience is blessedly rare).

It seems to me that if all your connective tissues, muscles and fascia are struggling to hold your bones in place, they would naturally be prone to tender points or trigger points (either or both IMHO.) Toss in likely mild demyelination we’re now finding common, and there’s your burning and tingling pain so many enjoy too.

Let’s put this another way. I’ll say I strongly suspect ANY fibromyalgia patient who also has a history of family medical problems on one or both sides, especially including joint pain with or without arthritis (we’re prone to early onset arthritis of all kinds, including OA and RA both), varicose or spider veins, IBS, and any kind of mood or sensory processing disorders. (Hold that thought!)

Of course there’s no easy remedy, because those nerve endings that Lyrica is supposed to be addressing are constantly being re-activated as your fascia and muscles are warped and stretched beyond normal range. (And mast cells line our nerves, and I now suspect their over-activity to lend to our pain – a lot.)  Toss in our extreme difficulty falling and staying asleep from commonly experienced hyperadrenergia (ultimate cause unknown, but it’s extremely common in the community), and boom: Fibromyalgia. Dr. Andrew Holman even posits that anyone who is caused to remain sleepless will develop Fibromyalgia in this video here, sort of putting the lie to my theory, smile.)

Everyone, medical practitioners and patients alike needs to be more dialectic, and allow for other possibilities, even if you don’t initially agree with them. You may well be right, but… at least you won’t steam-roll anyone in the process of proving so as is wont to happen with many of us. And I say this fully applying same to myself – you are perfectly welcome to disagree with me on any of these view points as they are just that – opinions.

Dysautonomia and wonky (usually low) blood pressure

I’ve also yet to meet an EDS patient (zebra) who DOESN’T have some form of dysautonomia, most commonly Raynaud’s phenomenon, low blood pressure (though can sometimes spike or stay quite high), GI motility issues, poor temperature control etc.

While a majority will tend to run low blood pressure, some will have the hyper-adrenergic variant, and some can run quite high and struggle to stay down or keep their heart rates down. Though one tell-tale sign of MCAD for me is anyone with high (or normal) BP who can get it to suddenly drop a lot (say 30 points or more) by eating known triggers. (One friend literally controls her high BP via oatmeal and bananas and chocolate – not a bad “prescription” if you ask me!)

We can have any variation on this theme, including POTS, NMH, hyper-adrenergic or HyperPOTS, etc. that you can imagine. Many experience syncope (fainting) and pre-syncope (dizzyness, light-headedness upon standing too quickly) from low blood volume and poor circulation. Others impinge their vagus nerves and throw up easily, or experience other GI dysmotility. Some can no longer fly in airplanes. Again, combine any of these with chronic pain, IBS, varicose or spider veins, hypermobility and any joint problems, and I strongly suspect you.

Sleeping disorders

I also suspect anyone who has sleeping problems ranging from the aforementioned trouble falling and staying asleep due to hyper-adrenergia (we often get a “second wind” around 9 pm that can keep you well up until 2 a.m.), to all forms of sleep apnea no matter how light or heavy the patient. (Toss in high pain levels, and we’re seriously doomed to be sleepless, sigh).

Even thin EDS patients can have obstructive airway apnea from weak laryngeal tissues and tracheas or vocal cord dysfunction, and lots of variations on a theme of dysautonomia as already mentioned, including Central Nervous System Apnea, sometimes requiring a form of breathing “pace-maker”. I literally had trouble remembering to breathe even in the daytime through my “storm” of 2012 – I only now know the term for this problem in yet again, 20/20 hindsight thanks to some fellow support group members.

I suspect this was a by-product of some cranial-cervical settling that I’ve since overcome through nutritional work and re-strengthening, (thank God! I’m not sure all can.) Toss in any form of Mast Cell Activation Disorder (MCAD, wither Mastocytosis or MCAS) and allergies leaving us prone to waking from the cyclical histamine shed around 3 a.m. and no wonder we struggle with sleep! I’ve stopped waking since cleaning up my diet (going allergy and trigger-free) and taking some chlorpheniramine maleate at night (an old-school sedating anti-histamine that doesn’t leave me hung over).

But I digress. Again, combine poor sleep with low blood pressure, chronic pain and joint problems of any kind, and I’m willing to bet dark chocolate I have a zebra on my hands.

Arthritis and auto-immune patients

I also suspect anyone who has early onset osteo-arthritis and any forms of auto-immune disorders, but especially ankylosing spondylitis (my dad and 2 aunts had this, and I have the factor for it) or multiple sclerosis.

Don’t ask me why, but I’m now finding that much like with Fibromyalgia, a large number of MS patients I meet in real life also show tell-tale signs of hypermobility and joint problems, and lots of food and drug sensitivities.

Who knows why this is, but based on my learning from The Mastocytosis Society Conference in 2012, I personally suspect a lot of MS is secondary due to demyelination from either (common) B12 or other nutritional deficiency issues, or mast cell activation disorders (or both!), since mast cells are known to “line” nerve fibers, if memory serves. (I’ll double check this, but feel free to let me know otherwise sooner, if you know accurately).

I personally think that all the systemic inflammation we experience from either likely leaky gut syndrome, or just plain food allergies (got IBS?) and sensitivities or MCAD of any kind may lead to this as Dr. Carnahan describes here. Again, I have no medical basis for saying this, it’s just my hunch and I welcome further exploration. But Dr. Diana Driscoll (fellow EDS patient and therapeutic optometrist) has been positing much the same theory about Mast Cells and autoimmune disorders on her great website for years now too. Along with the good folks at http://www.mastcellaware.com.

IBS

Speaking of Irritable Bowel Syndrome, aka IBS, I also suspect most with it, as they likely have either high allergy levels, or some form of MCAD or both (like myself) as do most EDS patients. (Almost all EDS patients react badly to anesthetics, both from over-sensitivity, and over-processing – i.e, we need way higher levels of the “caines” – Novocaine, Lidocaine etc.  – to feel any effect, and often get sick from general anesthesia, even days after an operation.)

I really don’t think there’s any such thing as “just” IBS. I think it’s all some variation on the afore-mentioned themes of food allergies and sensitivities, combined with a proclivity to dysmotility from impinged vagus nerves lending to some people’s high nausea rates, and chronic SIBO from weak ileo-cecal valves. So I personally suspect anyone with IBS too. Especially if they also have fibro, natch, which a majority seem to have also! And especially if they have any form of diffuse joint pain or repeated joint problems and allergies/sensitivities. (Sensing a theme I hope).

Chronic Pain sufferers of all kinds

One of the most tragic and detrimental misunderstandings EDS patients face is being accused of being drug-seekers due to our chronic and often severe connective tissue, joint and muscle pain from so many micro-tears, subluxations and insults. (We also bruise easily, fwiw). We can suffer from any and all forms of arthritis, neuropathy, neuralgias, radiculopathies, CRPS or RSD and fibromyalgia.

Alas, we look good “on paper” or scan, if you will, so doctors and nurses will often wrongly conclude we are just simply drug-seeking based on failure to see any gross joint or tendon displacements or tears, and sometimes even with them! Most minor subluxations will not show up on X-ray, and sometimes not even on MRI or CT even with contrast (to which many of us are allergic!) But let me tell you from experience they sure hurt like the dickens!

Thus begins the cycle of doctor-shopping in order to find any practitioner willing to treat our very legitimate complaints and chronic pain, leading to patients often having a long “history” of discarded doctors behind them in their desperate searches for proper treatment and recognition. I feel extremely lucky: I sensed early on that whatever I had was too mild to be taken seriously, and so I simply got on with my life the best I could (and was lucky to be able to), finding my true friends along the way who could understand my inability to “come out and play” as an adult as much as everyone else.

I also got a lot of counseling along the way that was validating, including some of the best I’ve ever experienced from Dr. Chino, one of the author’s of a great book I recommend: Validate Your Pain. It probably also helped that I asked for and attended a pain management class through my HMO over 7 years ago when I first suspected what I only knew as Hypermobility Syndrome at the time when I took out vertebrae T3-5 twisting while collating medical records of all things, not lifting, ironically.

My great LMT at the time first helped me to suspect this after 3 different practitioners who were treating me at the time all independently called me very “plastic”, smile, and the description fit to a T, but my PCP wouldn’t let me see the geneticist yet.

So I “sucked it up, buttercup” once again, got on with life, until my body demanded to be heard by falling completely and undeniably apart in early 2012 when you bet I needed some pain management! Thankfully my long-doubting doctor knew me well enough to know and believe me when I did break down and beg for some pain medication, and also knew I wouldn’t abuse it (I never came close, and now take almost nothing unless I “bust a move” as I’m wont to do on occasion in my attempts to strengthen and have a bit of a life).  Alas, not all are so”lucky” (or unlucky?) and are dismissed when they fall apart after many failed attempts to be believed.

But others have much more serious radiculopathies, neuropathies and neuralgias from their joints being misaligned and impinging nerves almost anywhere in the body, including the spine and sternum (yes, you can sublux your ribs in front, trust me! and yes it hurts!!)

Sciatica and chondromalacia of all kinds is common, along with costochondritis and herniations of all kinds, and every flavor of spine trouble and resulting pain you can imagine. (Spinal stenosis, spondylolisthesis, sciatica, bone spurs, you name it!)

We just don’t hold together!

 Just because a practitioner cannot see this on a scan or x-ray at any given point does not mean the pain isn’t very very real, alas.

I now believe many drug-addicted street kids and homeless people may be self-medicating undiagnosed zebras since meeting a few this last year. This is why I’m trying so hard to raise awareness for all – I believe we could save our medical (and possibly judicial) systems millions in misguided testing and needless patient suffering and doctor-shopping if we just suspected this condition much more often than we do.

Alas, this is apt to be an ongoing source of misunderstanding for too many for a long time to come since pain doesn’t “glow”, so can only be reported subjectively. I assure you, no EDS patient I know wants to be on pain meds, nor seeks to get high. They just want their pain properly managed as Zyp Czyk describes here. (You don’t get high – and shouldn’t – if you are using opiates properly for pain management.)

And they need to be heard. Not that it’s any excuse, but is it any wonder we lose patience with our mis-informed and sometimes short-sighted doctors when we’re suffering so but just called depressed? That said, we patients need to be as patient as possible while helping to bring our doctors and nurses with us on our diagnostic journeys as already stated in another post. It’s just very hard when you’re hitting a 9 on the pain scale. (I figure I’ll never self-report a 10, smile. I start bawling at 7 myself. Yes I’m a wimp, and proud of it).

Anxiety and Depression and Autism spectrum

This category is apt to be somewhat controversial, as most mental health patients and sub-clinical “auties” (autism spectrum patients – since we’re no longer allowed to call anything “Asperger’s” per the DSM V in 2014) are quite sensitive to the labels.

Well, I’m sorry for your discomfort, but it’s emerging as an inescapable reality for virtually all EDS families in my observation on and offline in many support groups. My own personal experience and that of virtually every EDSer I know involves some level of depression, anxiety, codependency and any or all of the alphabet soup (OCD, ADHD, SPD, PDDNOS, etc.) that comes with being a sub-clinical high functioning autistic person, if not being outright clinical. (All zebras I know are related to or know someone on the spectrum, to my surprise, and the rest all battle the aforementioned alphabet soup until someone finally connects all those dots, if ever).

Again, who knows why, but this is my personal observation of thousands of people and their behaviors and complaints online, including my own! (I battled severe depression through my 20’s and into my 30’s). I now strongly suspect myself of being a “Hidden Aspie” in 20/20 hindsight since falling down THIS rabbit hole when a fellow zebra asked me about it 2 years ago.  No, I’ll probably never get diagnosed – it’s much too costly and ineffective to attempt without a more “gross” presentation.  But all the tips and tricks for Aspies are working for me. Including strategies for coping with anxiety, stress, ADHD, etc.

I also just discovered a blog post (October 2015) from someone else who agrees here. And found this article describing a case whose mother turned out unsurprisingly to have EDS here.

This seems to come along with seriously pathological codependency and narcissism also IMHO. (You can tell a narcissist, you just can’t tell them much!) No wonder my parents were alcoholics, self-medicating trying to cope with so much pain and stress as I suspect in hindsight. But you absolutely cannot tell a narcissist anything about themselves, they will absolutely not want to hear it. (Mine sure didn’t).

They will also often deny your reality, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. But denial (“de Nile”) is not a river in Egypt as we say in recovery circles with which I’m plenty familiar.

And you don’t have to take my word for it. I’ll just keep observing everyone’s very black and white thinking patterns online, including, again, many in the medical profession. I think this definitely adds to the difficulty in getting EDS diagnosed – some narcissistic patients will not even see a doctor, others are doctors and nurses themselves (there’s a pretty high rate of EDSers in the medical profession, I’m finding, no surprise) and can’t see the forest for the trees right in front of them, alas.

Again, being dialectic will help tremendously here, as everyone starts to just allow for the possibility that this comorbidity exists. (Some may even benefit greatly from dialectical behavioral therapy accordingly.)

Meanwhile, autistic or not, I strongly suggest anyone battling anxiety and/or depression who is hypermobile (bendy) and experiences much pain at all look into EDS. Every zebra I’ve met in real life (IRL) exhibits fast thought and fast speech, high IQ (sometimes very), incredible creative talents (we’re some of the very best visual artists and musicians of all kinds out there, seriously!)

We’re all very hard-charging, driven, often codependent, Type “A” high achievers – until our bodies betray us. (Trust me, I was one too!) And, EDSer or not, if you have these traits, you’ll definitely benefit from addressing the resulting issues. Your family will thank you! Remember, we’re really not that rare. So you’re definitely not alone!

Lots of Allergies and Sensitivities

Picture of a child flushing in the face

A flushing child

This last one should come as no surprise to the last category (people on the Autism Spectrum), because the community is rife with them.

We are the folks who have long long lists of drug and food allergies and sensitivities, often from birth, sometimes or even often severe.

A large number have hay fever and grass or pollen allergies of some kind, almost all have some form of skin presentation including eczema, or urticaria (hives) or even urticaria pigmentosa (a special persistent kind of hives that come with cutaneous Mastocytosis).

We are often allergic or sensitive to one or more anti-biotics, salicylates, legumes (peanuts) and tree nuts, the dye in children’s benadryl, aspirin, NSAIDs, corn and corn starch fillers in tablets (that one takes a while to find for many!), eggs, soy, and even chicken or turkey.

We’re the folks who are sensitive to perfumes and scents and chemicals of all kinds, including dryer sheet fumes, hair spray, paint, vinyl or gas fumes. We’re often prone to constipation, but can lose our cookies or need the loo (toilet) in a big hurry after just one bite, meal or drink of the wrong food. (Often diagnosed as IBS).

We may pass 0ut after eating certain allergens or triggers, appearing to just fall asleep, but our BP and breathing rate are really low if you look closely. (Though some will go into serious shock quickly too, alas.) We may test negative for many allergens on the RAST or even blood tests, but still react just as strongly (called “idiopathic anaphylaxis”) to some items just the same. (Blame this on the comorbid MCAD we’re just now getting doctors to recognize.)

We flush red easily especially on the face and neck and upper chest (aka the “mantle”), especially when stressed at all or even mildly warm. We may wake up choking on mucus at 3 a.m. or thereabouts from cyclical histamine sheds or dumps. (A sedating anti-histamine can really help a lot with this!) We can often “write” on our skin with a light scratch that turns red in less than a minute, and may even raise up a wheal (dermatographism). We are prone to skin rashes and spots of many kinds and places, again often urticaria (hives).

Picture of dermatographia (skind writing)

Dermatographia sign of MCAD

Lastly, we are the ones who may vomit for days after any surgery requiring anesthesia (in reaction to the anesthesia). Some require a serious protocol be in place before and during surgery to prevent an event on the table often involving steroids and or antihistamines.  If this is you or anyone you know, please look into Mastocytosis and MCAS and talk to your doctor! You should probably be carrying an epi-pen if you don’t already.

Summary

Again, these are all just my personal unprofessional theories on the matter. Please consult a knowledgeable doctor for your case, but bring them some of the latest info including the Brighton Diagnostic Criteria in case they aren’t up to date yet to help if you suspect yourself now.

But the more I observe in the support groups online, the more my likely “Aspie” pattern-seeking brain manages to file away in yet more categories. I’m not evening covering all the ways in which I suspect people, just some of the more common.

You’ll notice that in all cases, everyone has some signs of GI involvement, along with allergy or MCAD signs, hypermobility (even if stiff, you still sublux or injure easily), mood disorders, Fibromyalgia and most common of all: widespread,  chronic and unfortunately medically invisible pain of every kind.

We’re also finding virtually every diagnosed EDS patient and suspect EDSer can exhibit flying bird hand sign to some degree. It seems that even the least flexible zebras (of which Dr. Bravo himself is one – he says not all are bendy even as children) can bend their fingers back at the palmar (first) knuckle to varying degrees.

But don’t take my word for it. Start looking around. We’re the ones with the early onset varicose and spider veins, stretch marks in both boys and girls even at young ages, even if never large or pregnant. Often myopic (nearsighted, but not always), with crowded teeth and fallen arches, hemorrhoids, hernias and tendonitis and bursitis of all kinds.

We’ve just got to get our doctors to recognize that elephant in the room that everyone is touching, from the podiatrist to the neurosurgeon.  (As Dr. Heidi Collins quoted some anonymous genius: If you can’t connect the issues, think connective tissues!) May your journey be smooth and filled with understanding. The good news: though there’s technically no “cure” (being a genetic defect), there are some things we can do about it besides just sit and suffer! (I did bust back out of my wheelchair in 2013.) I’ll be sharing more on that later.     |When Else to Suspect Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome | Dr. Driscoll’s EDS Primer Video

14 thoughts on “When to Suspect EDS

  1. Wonderful article! Thank you so much for your work here! I’ll be following, and directing folks to your blog for sure. All the best; Lili @ Taming the Beast

  2. Amazing how we feel so different but we all have remarkable similarities. Lol simply crazy. My whole family is alcoholics, all have IBS, have 2 narcissists, 3 codependants and here I am… a once codependant that has worked hard to break free. I have the most prominant signs of EDS of everyone, no denying it. I cant drink (thank the powers that be) because I puke so easily. I take no medications, very stubborn about traveling through that rabbit hole. But I do self medicate with medical marijuana. Have no idea what I would do without it. I sleep easily and digest food easily. IBS is not a concern for me. It helps me stay distracted from the pain. As I write this, I take account of what hurts, ummm. Yeah I hurt, a lot. But I can focus here and write this because of marijuana. I also have realized that I may be one of those hidden aspies too. Crazy. I am very hyperlexia and have a high IQ and even in all gifted classes but being in such an abusive home had set me back a little. I am 38 yrs old and undiagnosed. My score on the beighton is 7 out of 9 and also I wanted to throw in your mix, dental issues and lazy eyes. Both also unwritten common signs. My daughter is 10 and also has it, her orthopedic doctor picked up on it right away, amazing, but our symptoms are manageable for now and I am so thankful for that. We are the only double jointed ones in our family.
    Anyways, thanks for sharing!

    • Than you for sharing too Amber, glad my writing struck a chord and you can relate also. And, thanks for tossing in the lazy eyes and bad teeth in the mix – not one system is spared, eh. I think I may have mentioned those on my comorbidities page and or my “When Else to Suspect” post. In any case, it doesn’t hurt mentioning here in case folks don’t find those pages and posts. Don’t you just love winning the bad bendy health lottery but being so disbelieved by your family? (Not!) I’m glad you’re getting relief from medical marijuana too – many do, and I’ve seen it reduce seizures in a 6 year old with my own eyes. I don’t happen to use it – yet, but I’m keeping it in mind for the future. I also don’t drink any more (I never drank a lot – didn’t want to thanks to the parents), but now it activates my MCAS and isn’t worth it. Thanks for sharing and glad you’re managing okay for now.

  3. Perfectly said. Fantastic research. When I have a little more time I’m going to pre.t this out and go over it and maybe get bavk In contact with you. I’m just a little behind in school. Due to being stuck home I am getting my MBA Masters of Business Administration for those who weren’t sure. I suppose that’s that high intelligence we have. I do have ADD, my traditional IQ is a 142. Not that it means that much but it does confirm your findings and coincidences.

    • Thanks Monica! Validation is always appreciated, not that I mind folks disagreeing either – I’m more dialectic than most. But my intuition and observations keep proving to be on for a majority, so thanks for confirming them. I’m dying to see a study correlating the trait of hypermobility and autism spectrum disorders. Among many other things. One day…

  4. Thanks for this. Got my EDS from my mother, who was highly narcissistic in the malignant way and highly IQ bright but with no IE and with physical EDS maniestations. I am the family poster child for physical side of HEDS, I can see manifestations in siblings but they don’t believe a word I say as they aren’t bendy. So agree on the bright and quick thiking and high achieving, describes me very well, I don’t think I am massively autistic but certainly feel more secure as single than coupled up.

    • Thanks Susan, glad you can relate too. Of course, no two of us will be exactly alike but the common themes are just to common not to mention. I believe like autism, EDS is as individual as fingerprints, just in the physical way it manifests. I’m increasingly convinced autism is a neurological manifestation of hypermobility augmented by the neuroinflammation driven by mast cell activation as per Dr. T. Theoharides, which as you know is widely varying in presentation and severity (whence called a spectrum). So our bodies would vary so widely too. Why the less physically afflicted in our families have to also be narcissistc adding to our burden of being believed, I’ll never know – perhaps it’s karmic, and we were all narcissistic doctors in our past lives and dismissed loads of patients etc. ourselves right and left! Who knows, but welcome to the club. We’re defo no longer alone, thanks to the internet. (I like to say, I’m not losing my mind – just my body, er mostly, smile.)

  5. A large portion of this describes me. I’m glad to read that someone else has connected EDS with ‘Aspieness’. I’ve only just connected those dots myself and at last got a diagnosis of EDS, three years after my ‘cascade of symptoms’ began. My first suspicion was MS (since medically, but not entirely personally, ruled out). I’m glad to have found your blog!

    • Thanks – so glad I could help you confirm your suspicions and connect the dots too. Not surprised. And, I would not be surprised if you also had MS comorbid even still – I find all forms of autoimmune disorders extremely common with this, including MS. I believe them to all be secondary to chronic inflammation from both likely leaky gut syndrome (google it) and Mast Cell Activation Diseases (or disorders) along with comorbid CVID I find, leaving our poor immune systems prone to sort of “PTSD” from needlessly firing off so much at harmless substances that they start to engage in “friendly fire” if you will. Again, just a totally unscientific personal hunch, but I keep finding followers and back up to my observations, including the NIH who is studying the comorbidity of connective tissues disorders and atopy (allergic disease of any kind – both allergies and MCAD of any kind) as we speak. They’ve also noticed a lot of autoimmune disorders common in the same population along with CVID (prone to chronic and recurrent infections, get sick easily/often). I think our doctors just can’t see the forest (Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome) for the trees – autism or Aspergers, CVID, allergies or MCAD (“extra” or “hidden” allergies they can’t test for easily aka “MCS”), all the forms of autoimmune disorders including all forms of arthritis, often early onset, etc. The irony is, all doctors have seen EDS patients whether they know it or not – they’re just not looking for a systemic condition as they refer us out to all the various specialists (60 blind men and an elephant, not just 6) for our various seemingly unrelated issues. To quote some unknown genius fellow patient: If you can’t connect the issues, think connective tissues! (If you know the true author let us know – even Dr. Heidi Collins isn’t sure, though she borrowed the phrase as the title to her talk in 2014 at EDNF.) I think the tide is going to start turning soon as patients become informed and empowered for themselves and drag their doctors with them. Welcome! 😉

  6. My dear friend Susan posted a link to your blog today.. I must say she sure can spot the good ones. Susan and I met about 6 years ago on a page dedicated to hypokalemic periodic paralysis. Hypokalemic periodic paralysis is one of many types of Periodic Paralysis. Our particular type is called Andersen tawil syndrome +. It is the plus portion of our diagnosis that brings me here, by the way. We are not your typical Andersen Tawil Syndrome patients. We have facial features and other physical signs that help make the diagnosis. Crooked short fingers, high forehead, nail dysplasia, some with cleft palate. There are many more but too numerous to list them all here. Periods of extreme weakness and even paralysis, temporary in nature, are also hallmarks of the disorder. The dangerous portion of the disorder is we are all evaluated repeatedly and incessantly for the cardiac signs of Long qt a sometimes fatal cardiac arrhythmia. Now for the fun stuff. Why we don’t fit in. Why the big fat + after Andersen Tawil Syndrome. The plus stands for lidocaine resistance and sensory overload (processing?) issues. Joint laxity is a known co-morbidity with Andersen Tawil syndrome. More and more of my compatriots with Andersen Tawil Syndrome are getting clinical diagnosis of Ehler Danlos or mixed connective tissue disorder. In my family aspergers is a way of life by the way. My daughter was diagnosed a few years ago. I took an aspergers test my self and found I qualify as well. It explains so much to me on why I am the way I am. My dear friend I mentioned above was able to get her raw dna data and found not one but several mutations in her genome for connective tissue disorders. MCADs is also a way of life for many of us as well. I just would like to suggest for Ehler Danlos syndrome patients with symptoms similar to mulitple sclerosis please look into Andersen Tawil Syndrome and or other non dystrophic myotonias. Check out facebook pages regarding the disorders. Once diagnosed it is possible to improve life, lessen symptoms and even reduce pain if you have a case of Ehler Danlos Syndrome +. I am in hopes of having my genome sequenced by a researcher out of Switzerland if all goes well. If not I will doing a genome study through 23 and me and will run it my self and look for mutations I suspect I may find.

    • Oh wow, what a convoluted pathway you’ve had to get to Ehlers-Danlos, but you did! Than you for letting me know about this condition – I have never heard of Andersen tawil Syndrome, but I have heard and seen people complain of MS like symptoms in the EDS groups, so I will definitely look into it, and share your insight, thank you. Somehow this doesn’t surprise me – I’m finding that faulty collagen affects SO many of our body systems, including neurological in so many ways, that I believe you even if I’m sure my doctor and others would accuse us of seeing EDS everywhere because we have it. Oh if they only knew! That is why I’m blogging this comprehensively to help everyone, patients and doctors connect more dots for themselves. And here you’ve connected some others too. I’ll be curious to see what kind of response I get in the bigger groups I’m in with this. I’m sure it’s just not recognized yet, and most are getting diagnosed with MS as you said, if anything. Thank you for sharing!

  7. You are spot on. Read me Laurence Badgley G+ & then contact laurencebadgley@gmail. Com. Keep your thoughtful brain on open.

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